Sonic 3 & Knuckles - Super Sonic Palette

Hi, just letting you know that I'm new here and if this question is already is answered I have simply missed it. And if my grammar isn't perfect, forgive me.

I started hacking/modding for around little over a year ago by simply changing sprites, changing levels and other basic stuff, and now I have moved on to mapping my own sprites.

I know nothing about ASM, but I know very little about hex (I have done it for Sonic Generations) if that's important for this matter.

Enough about me, time for the question.

So in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, I have multiple times tried to change Super Sonic's, Hyper Sonic's and Hyper Knuckles' palette by both looking in the s3k.asm (I know there's some kind of code for the palette, but where it is I have no idea) and also in the folders of the disassembly but with no avail.

Either it's very well hidden or it's too complicated to do.

Also another question, is it possible for Tails and Knuckles to have their own Super/Hyper sprites and mappings? Not necessary to tell me how, just if it's possible.

Thanks for your time.

 

Not to sound like a complete douche or something but... You know that you could of put this in the the basic Q&A forum instead of making a new topic?

Edit: I am the trained ninja from sensei Ninjaeru.

Edit 2: Its true!

 

Are you trying to change the colors or the actual cycle itself?

EDIT: Ninja'd

EDIT 2: Whatever, DumbLemon.

EDIT 3: Yeah right.

 

I'm trying to change the colors.

DumbLemon: Nope, I guess I didn't see it.

 

Ok, here's the locations of the palettes:
 
Super Sonic: PalCycle_SuperSonic
Super Sonic Underwater in AIZ and ICZ: PalCycle_SuperSonicUnderwaterAIZICZ
Super Sonic Underwater in HCZ, CNZ and LBZ: PalCycle_SuperSonicUnderwaterHCZCNZLBZ
Hyper Sonic: PalCycle_HyperSonic
Super Tails: PalCycle_SuperTails
Super/Hyper Knuckles: PalCycle_SuperHyperKnuckles
Super/Hyper Knuckles Revert: PalCycle_SuperHyperKnucklesRevert
 
For each value listed, there are 3 hexadecimal numbers. The only numbers that can be used are numbers that are divisible by 2 (correct me if I'm wrong). The numbers can be converted to RGB. Like so:
 
0 - 0
2 - 32
4 - 64
6 - 96
8 - 128
$A - 160
$C - 192
$E - 224
 
For example, we have value $EA4, and we want to convert that to RGB. So according the the chart I listed above, it would be like this:
 
R - 224
G - 160
B - 64
 
Now for the editing of the value. First we'll take any color like this: 
 
The RGB values for the color is:
 
R - 127
G - 254
B - 210
 
But you're probably like "Hey! Those values can't be converted!" But, no worries, I have a solution so the color is compatible for the MegaDrive. It won't be the EXACT color, but close enough.
 
What we do is check each value, and round it to the nearest value compatible for the MD. Let's take 127. OK, it's between 96 and 128. 128 is obviously closer to 127, so we change the 127 to 128. Next is 254. If the value goes above 224, it gets rounded to 224. Now 210. It's between 224 and 192. 210 is closer to 224, so we change the 210 to 224.

An easy way to determine which is the closer value is:

Let's take 210.

First we determine which 2 numbers the value is between (192 and 224). We take the first number (192) and subtract it from 210. We get 18. Then we subtract 210 from the second number (224). We get 14. So, we know 210 is closer to 224, because 14 is obviously smaller than 18.

 
So now the values are:
 
R - 128
G - 224
B - 224
 
Now we convert those values. The ending result should be $8EE.
 
That's how you convert RGB colors to MegaDrive color values. Hope it helps!

EDIT: Fixed a mistake and added how to determine which value is closer to a MegaDrive compatible value.

EDIT 2: Fixed a silly mistake. I originally said that 14 was larger than 18.

 

Hm. Maybe I'm stupid but I can't find PalCycle_SuperSonic or any of the others. It is in sonic3k.asm, right :/?

 

They should be seperate files in the disassembly go into the art folder, find them, and crack 'em open with a hex editor.

 

No, the palettes for Super forms are not binary files. Yes, they are in sonic3k.asm. Line 4028. Maybe you should try searching AnPal_SuperSonic_1. Maybe it could be the bolding...removed it just in case.

I have made binary files for the palettes if you want and you can open them in SonMapEd or something and binclude them.

 

Thanks a lot, found it. Going to mess around with it for a while and see if I get what I want. (I'm still a newbie in this hacking stuff).

If I'm thinking what I think you mean, I use SonMapEd and Notepad++ at the moment.

Edit: Ah, thanks. That's going to be really helpful.

Edit 2: I change them in SonMapEd but they won't change in game :/. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong.

 

You need to replace the asm equicalent of the palettes with a binclude to the new ones. I'm not good at givimg step by step instructions though, so I'll have to leave you at that.

 

Create a folder called "Super Palettes" in the General folder. Extract the files into the new folder.

Now replace this:




PalCycle_SuperSonic:
        dc.w $E66,$C42,$822
        dc.w $E88,$C66,$844
        dc.w $EAA,$C88,$A66
        dc.w $ECC,$EAA,$C88
        dc.w $EEE,$ECC,$EAA
        dc.w $EEE,$EEE,$EEE
        dc.w $CEE,$CEE,$AEE
        dc.w $AEE,$8EE,$6CC
        dc.w $8EE,$0EE,$0AA
        dc.w $AEE,$8EE,$6CC
; AnPal_SuperSonic_2:
PalCycle_SuperSonicUnderwaterAIZICZ:
        dc.w $A82,$860,$640
        dc.w $E88,$C66,$844
        dc.w $EAA,$C88,$A66
        dc.w $ECC,$EAA,$C88
        dc.w $EEE,$ECC,$EAA
        dc.w $EEE,$EEE,$EEE
        dc.w $CEE,$CEC,$AEC
        dc.w $AEC,$8EC,$6CA
        dc.w $8EC,$4EA,$4A8
        dc.w $CEE,$CEC,$AEC
; AnPal_SuperSonic_3:
PalCycle_SuperSonicUnderwaterHCZCNZLBZ:
        dc.w $C66,$A44,$624
        dc.w $E88,$C66,$844
        dc.w $EAA,$C88,$A66
        dc.w $ECC,$EAA,$C88
        dc.w $EEE,$ECC,$EAA
        dc.w $EEE,$EEE,$EEE
        dc.w $CEE,$CEC,$AEC
        dc.w $AEC,$8EC,$6CA
        dc.w $8EC,$4EA,$4A8
        dc.w $CEE,$CEC,$AEC
; AnPal_SuperSonic_4:
PalCycle_HyperSonic:
        dc.w $EEC,$ECA,$EA8
        dc.w $EEE,$EEE,$EEE
        dc.w $CEC,$AEA,$2E0
        dc.w $EEE,$EEE,$EEE
        dc.w $AEC,$4EC,$0CC
        dc.w $EEE,$EEE,$EEE
        dc.w $CEE,$8EE,$4CE
        dc.w $EEE,$EEE,$EEE
        dc.w $EEE,$CCE,$AAE
        dc.w $EEE,$EEE,$EEE
        dc.w $EEE,$ECE,$CAC
        dc.w $EEE,$EEE,$EEE
; AnPal_SuperSonic_5:
PalCycle_SuperTails:
        dc.w $0AE,$08E,$46A
        dc.w $4CE,$2AE,$46A
        dc.w $8CE,$4CE,$46C
        dc.w $AEE,$8CE,$48E
        dc.w $8CE,$4CE,$46C
        dc.w $4CE,$2AE,$46A
; AnPal_SuperSonic_6:
PalCycle_SuperHyperKnuckles:
        dc.w $A6E,$64E,$428
        dc.w $C8E,$86E,$64A
        dc.w $EAE,$A8E,$86C
        dc.w $ECE,$CAE,$A8E
        dc.w $EEE,$ECE,$CAE
        dc.w $ECE,$CAE,$A8E
        dc.w $EAE,$A8E,$86C
        dc.w $C8E,$86E,$64A
        dc.w $A6E,$64E,$428
        dc.w $84E,$40C,$206
; AnPal_SuperSonic_7:
PalCycle_SuperHyperKnucklesRevert:
        dc.w $64E,$20C,$206



With:




PalCycle_SuperSonic:
        binclude "General/Super Palettes/Super Sonic.bin"
        even
; AnPal_SuperSonic_2:
PalCycle_SuperSonicUnderwaterAIZICZ:
        binclude "General/Super Palettes/Super Sonic Underwater in AIZ and ICZ.bin"
        even
; AnPal_SuperSonic_3:
PalCycle_SuperSonicUnderwaterHCZCNZLBZ:
        binclude "General/Super Palettes/Super Sonic Underwater in HCZ and CNZ and LBZ.bin"
        even
; AnPal_SuperSonic_4:
PalCycle_HyperSonic:
        binclude "General/Super Palettes/Hyper Sonic.bin"
        even
; AnPal_SuperSonic_5:
PalCycle_SuperTails:
        binclude "General/Super Palettes/Super Tails.bin"
        even
; AnPal_SuperSonic_6:
PalCycle_SuperHyperKnuckles:
        binclude "General/Super Palettes/Super Knuckles.bin"
        even
; AnPal_SuperSonic_7:
PalCycle_SuperHyperKnucklesRevert:
        binclude "General/Super Palettes/Super Knuckles Reversion.bin"
        even



Now you may edit the palettes as you please in SonMapEd and it will apply to the game once you've built the rom.

 

Oh. I thought it was just to add the palettes in binclude at the end of the asm, but thanks.

Edit: You don't happen to know why Tails get cut off when I give him custom mappings and replace with a character in Sonic's size?

 

So glad my contribution (overhaul) to that area of code (SuperHyper_PalCycle) is seeing use. Good luck identifying whose palette cycle is whose when they're all labelled 'AnPal_SuperSonic_1/2/3/4/5'.

Oh yeah, it's more than possible. Tails and Knuckles are just missing a little code... and separate Super/Hyper sprites and mappings.