JPG == Warning?

I would like to draw your attention to this (Post Removed).

It has come to my attention that one or two individuals have been posting images that are (or have been) compressed into the JPG lossy file format, and in the process have destroyed the original quality of the image. But when I find a rule patronising me and telling me how to make and save my work, and then threatened to be scolded for it, that's when things get ridiculous.

What's worse is that you've forbidden the use of the "alt+printscreen", and then told us that we're not allowed to save the PNG as 32-bit, despite the fact that the image quality difference is null. I have used the printscreen method and have saved PNG images of both 24-bit and 32-bit formats (depending on what the tool I use chooses), multiple times, and have never had a problem. Additionally, what if I'm using a specific emulator for a specific reason that does not have a built in screenshot feature?

As for the JPG images, the ones I saw the people getting scolded for, they weren't that bad at all. Further more, when I posted JPG images in the "General Screenshot & Movie Thread" twice recently, I received no warnings, no problems, nothing. And they looked worse. This tells me that you're selectively choosing who to have a go at, based on them and their personality, rather than the fact that it's actually a JPG image with lost quality.

Of all the rules you've thrown in, this is the most insulting. Hell I'd go as far to say that you're doing a Google on us. What is your game SSRG?

EDIT: The post in the thread was removed, so... I donno...

 

Oh you're such a troll...

 

Ok, fine, I shut up.


I also take this chance to resign from my Staff position since I'm obviously not fit for the job.


Ordos or whoever, please make me a normal Member again ASAP.

 

Hey, I never said that. Please don't put words into my mouth.

I'm simply saying that this new rule is over the top, and needs reassessment. Resigning is not the right move.

 

I don't see why you need to resign. The issue needs to be discussed further.

 

Come now, nineko. Might be a good idea to step back and cool off a bit. Your topic about posting images had the right idea, you just may have gone over the top in enforcing certain ideas. I get the frustration with JPGs and outright wonky screenshot sizes (not personally a fan of JPGs, and the weird sizing is annoying as hell particularly when it disrupts the page layout), you just got caught up in the frustration. Everyone can get frustrated and angry and just say something stupid. No one's perfect, and everyone makes mistakes. It's not something that detracts from your ability to be on staff, just means you may have jumped to the trigger too fast on an idea.

So please, step away for a bit, come back when you're a bit more calm, think about it rationally, and then approach this subject again. Besides, the subject you brought up is something that does need to be discussed, so it's good it was brought to light once more anyway. You're a fine staffer and I'd hate for a mistake like this to spoil things, so let's not take hairtrigger emotional reactions. Calm down, rationalize, and let's work together and solve this issue.

 

It is kind of strange that their has to be a rule just for how you take screenshots, not to mention that you will get scolded for it. I mean of course the quality may be a bit bad

and all but how else people are supposed to take screenshots if they don't have an option for that already built in. also:

To a certain extent, I agree with you as I do be noticing that as well with certain members (won't name who) That may post things in a way that another member may have and get responses different from each other. and I also notice that it seems to be like this with members in terms of their rank or how long they have been in the forums, which to me sounds a slight bit elitist In my opinion. might be going out of line with this but I just wanted to post my thought's about this.

@Nineko: also their's no need to resign for something like this. i'd say your doing just fine as a staff member.

 

Dang it Ninko, yes you are! I understand what you're feeling, and I sympathize with your plight, but calling it quits ever time an issue comes up, isn't the way to solve things. You've made, what, 1 maybe 2 dump posts in the past year? Compared to some of the stuff I've posted, where I make a couple of dumb posts a month, you're one of the best members on here. Quit beating yourself up every time you take something slightly out of context. Every administrator has his off day. Not to dig up dead issues, but StephenUK corrected me about a bump in the forums game section. Did he throw in the towel? No! He admitted he was wrong, and moved on. You are right for the job. Don't let a mistake tell you otherwise.

 

Nineko does it every time. Like when for the first time someone lightly opposed him on vgmrips. Nowadays I think he's just an idiot. To make this a rule and have it accepted by the rest of the staff makes my back cringe at the thought of it. It's bad enough already, but it's a rule to use 8-bit PNGs. I don't even know how to *create* those without spending massively more time than it'd take me to just upload a regular screenshot.


And therefore I can, with all my heart, say:




Bai.

 

Is it at all possible for you to be any more disrespectful of a staff member in one post?

 

Yes, but that's not the point. No matter who would have invented that rule, my reaction would have been the same. Shame that I hadn't noticed before, I would have complained in similar fashion. It's an idiotic rule and you know it.

 

Let me clarify something, I didn't discuss it beforehand with the rest of the Staff, I wrote that rule by my own, but I can explain why. You know, I actually wanted to introduce a rule about screenshots a very long time ago, but I never did because even I thought it would have been a bit too much, so I left that topic as a mere recommendation. Then, when I saw Ordos complaining about some screenshots in JPEG format, I was happy because I suddenly felt like I wasn't alone in this quest against improper screenshots anymore. And since he is, like, the main admin and founder of this place, I assumed it would have been ok to introduce such a rule, and I still stand by my idea.


But that doesn't matter. I'm more surprised to see I'm still part of the staff even if I requested to be a regular Member again. I would do that by my own, but my access level prevents me from doing that since I can't alter the profiles of Staff-level users, including myself.


And yes Oerg, this is exactly like vgmrips, I just can't stand to see people doing it wrong, and I'm surprised to see other people being ok with that. Some rules are useless but some are important, let's just remove the rule which tells you which is the correct side of the road where you should drive and see what happens. Sometimes you're not free to do things like you'd like to do them because it's better if you do them in another way. Is that limiting your freedom? Sure it is. But it allows you to do things right. You shouldn't even need to be told how to do things right, but if you don't get that by yourself, then it's good if someone else explains you how to.


The bottom line is that pixel art should never be saved as JPEG. See the example pictures in the other topic.

-> 8865 bytes and it looks perfect. All the pixels, all the details, everything is at its place.

-> 74533 bytes and it looks horrible. Look at the red things, "RINGS" and Sonic's shoe.


Why would anyone want to use a format which looks worse and takes up more space is beyond me.


As for the 24-bit versus 32-bit PNG files, well, it's not a matter of file size (in fact, ironically, some 32-bit PNG files are smaller than 4- or 8-bit PNG files when transparency is involved, and even I uploaded several of those files on smspower, for example), it's another matter of coerency. Why, why in the world would you want to save alpha information about a screenshot which is entirely solid?


No, you can't make me feel like I'm wrong, when I'm definitely being right on each and every point of what I said. I might be wrong on other things, but when it comes to getting the best I seek no compromise. I want the best image quality with the smallest waste of resources, and there's no objection you can make to make me change my mind.

 

How rude can you possibly be, it's a matter of website data space, if you actually read the how to take proper screen shots thread, you will see they compared how much data was in one screenshot from the other.


My dad works at a place that builds network cables and uses computers for everything, and he told me it is possible for a websites data to overflow. Do some fucking research before being a total asshat to a staff memeber, you should feel bad, you douche.


Nineko your an exilent staff memeber don't let other people tell you otherwise.


Edit: Also like other people have pointed out, JPEGs are way to fucking big.

 

First of all, butthurt people are butthurt, and stop sucking the staff's dicks at the cost of being properly able to judge things. MarkeyJester said it right, and oddly enough I completely agree with him.

Wow, he must be really bright then! what a load of bullshit.

Second, If people wish to release their screenshots in JPG let them. If people wish to release their screenshots in PNG, let them. On WIP shots, why would you make a rule for that? It's completely out of this world. Here's an example, when I am just working on things and want to quickly post a screenshot, I don't open ten million programs to actually save the file in a very time consuming manner. Either I paste it directly to a website, or I quickly paste it in MSPAINT or whatever and save it, and i'm done with it. I can understand if you have these kinds of concerns with stuff that is supposed to be released in a large kind of fassion, e.g. a new release of a production, but on causually posted material, this is idiotic. Also, it shows the true priorities of this place. It's okay to have idiocy and low quality material every day, but oh, those JPEGs got to go? What the fuck, man?

You know, I can't possibly explain why people call me an elitist and then defend a rule like this, I'm sorry.

 

I skimmed through most of these posts, so I apologies if I missed something out, but I am too lazy to read at this moment in time. Anyway, this "rule" nineko posted about picture posting, isn't an "official" rule. All official rules can be found here: http://sonicresearch.org/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules

Anyway, nineko wasn't even staff in 2009.  And now I am backseat modding so I'll stop here.  Why did I become more active when I gave my staff position up? =P

 

You can't be serious. WIP screenshots are the ones which should be saved in the best possible way more than everything else.


Think of this scenario:




HEY GUYS I DREW NEW ART FOR THE TITLE SCREEN HOW DOES IT LOOK


Every file format has its reason to exist. The very "P" in "JPEG" means "Photographic", that alone should mean something.

 

You don't know me, I will defend people even if I don't know them to well it's called having a sense of morality, which people in the world tend to forget, so fuck off.

 

Having your sense of logic ruined by it is dumb, so no thanks.

Normal means of saving things do not produce pictures that broken nineko. You're over dramatizing things and you know it. The comparison to the rule of driving on the right side of the road is outrageous. It's a bunch of pixels, how serious can you get about them?

If you really are that stubborn then perhaps being a staff member is indeed not for you. You've proven it very effectively twice now!

The purpose of rules is to maintain a healthy community. This is just.... dumb.

Oh, and your screenshot has the priority bug.Talk about accuracy and details!

EDIT: Oh, and the thing is you're even forbidding regular PNG images. JPEG being bad and all, but how do you explain this?

 

That was a rhetorical question, and you darn - well know it! I wasn't reacting to your coment, but how you insulted Ninko. Calling him an idiot, is uncalled for.

THIS is uncalled for. It's a slap to the face to Ninko and his rule. You call Ninko an idiot, but at least he can make a post without insulting everyone on the planet in the process! At least he can carry on a conversation with out using uncalled for insults, unlike you Oreg, where whenever you see something you don't like, you immediately take to insulting the creator, AND the work. THIS shows ignorance. THIS shows idiocy. You're the idiot here Oreg, not Ninko.


My gosh I went on a tangent, but this time, I don't care.