Unlimited Trees' Sonic 1 (Early Demo)

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  1. Unlimited Trees

    Unlimited Trees Banned for being a fucking cockwomble Exiled

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    Hello. So I'm back from the Limbo grave. And with only a few posts until I enter Prospect for the third time, it's time to do the tradition of sharing another project that is early on in development. Now, before I go onto that, let me get something out of my chest:

    READ THIS ENTIRE POST SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND SHIT
    Unlike in that one thread I shall not mention, I'm not gonna shove this message in your face with tons of curse words that the puny brain can handle, so without further ado, let's get into this.

    So, it all starts after the contest week. Seeing the responses from Pepsi in Sonic 1, I felt disappointed in myself. I proved that I can create good level layouts (as shown with my shiny new Lava Reef Trophy), but everything else about the hack, as well as my other entries still showed that I was an immature cunt who was still an idiot. So right after the contest, I started working on this hack. My goal: Make the best hack anyone has ever seen in awhile. I know this won't be the best (as we all know Markey already has the description for best hacker ever), but I want to make something that is both new and great. So after only 2 months in, this hack is in it's early moments. Lot's of stuff unfinished, from art to level layouts and other stuff. There's also a few problems, but we'll go into that in a bit. So, I was able to get 4 levels into the game. Only 2 of them are good enough to be considered passable, while 1 is still very unfinished while the other is just bad to the point where I'm going to redo it from scratch. So, let's get into all the zones in this game, shall we?

    Egg Plant Zone:
    The first level of the game, this is what happens when Eggman gets his hands on Green Hill Zone. Anyways, this zone sucks. HARD. I hate this zone as it currently is in this demo. The art is extremely unfinished as well as it being bad (pillow shading hell). The only reason I left it in was because 1) the level layouts were already done by the time I decided to pull the plug, and 2) I didn't have enough time to import all the art AND get all of the zone art done. So what we have here is a zone which should only be played for it's level layouts. Note that Act 3's BG was never made and it's just a mess. I never got around to doing it. So, I recommend skipping this zone. Note that the music was going to be an Act 2/3 thing, but because of some inside problems with some of the people making music for this, the song we needed never got finished. Here's a mockup of what this level will look like in the future.

    Marble City Zone:
    A city which was built ontop of a volcano. This level is the most unfinished level, with only the basic art completed, with tons of stuff still needed to be done. Only check out this zone if you want to look at the art.

    Desert Dazzle Zone:
    Now this isn't even hiding the fact I'm copying the Taxman. Basically, this is Desert Dazzle. It's a desert level... but flooded with water. Level layout is pretty basic and might be redone. Some art needs to be done.

    Green Hill Zone:
    So Sonic has finally broken GHZ of Eggman's grasp, and now he can go through it normally. This is the last level in the game, and it contains the best song ever, Green Hills Zone. Only Act 1 is complete.

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    [​IMG] 1-29-17 Screenshots:
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    3-20-17 Screenshot:
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    81: Sonic CD US - Wacky Workbench Present (By A-S-H, might be used as an Act 2/3 theme for Egg Plant)
    84: Sonic Advance 2 - Ice Halation Act 2 (Beta Mix) (By Joenick)
    85: Shantae - Burning Town (By Crash, taken from SMPS Competiton)
    86: The best song ever, Sonic 2 8 Bit - Green Hills (By A-S-H. I luv you <3)
    87: Sonic Drift - Invinciblity (By jubbalub. have my kids pls)
    8A: Sonic CD JP - Title Screen (yet another song by the great hubbabub)
    8C: Sonic CD JP - Boss (#1 Mix) (by Painto)
    8D: mm2wood.bin (Ozaleto)
    91: Pepsi in Sonic 1 - S Monitor Theme (by Joenick)
    94: Sonic CD Beta - Speed Shoes (i just want to kiss jubbalub for making all these great remixes <33333)
    95: Another Green Hills Remix (by Joenick)
    FE: Some Miku song I forgot the name to :p (Joenick)
    FF: Sonic X - Sonic Drive (Joenick. He accidently sent me the thing on Discord thinking I was someone else so I just taken this and put it in the game because lel why not.)

    BUGS/PROBLEMS:
    -Problem with Special stage sending you back to beginning of level, even if you hit lamppost you will start right at the beginning of the level.
    -Speed shoes music not restarting music up (fixed in new version)
    -Some problems with pathswappers, mostly in Egg Plant
    -Egg Plant Act 3 not having any new background (Fixed in new version)
    -A few palette stuff I need to change
    -the DAC in Joenick's songs being all messed up (fixed)
    -Various VRAM problems n shitz (fixed Platforms in latest version at least. It's a start)
    -Various collision and other shits
    -Problem in new version where when speed shoes ends, invincibility also ends, regardless of how much time you have left
    -Some other stuff I forgot to mention

    One thing I need to say is if you want to do a video of this, please ask me on a PM. I hate how people just take hacks when they are very early in development and just upload them to an audience of over a thousand, and don't even link them to the thread and just sends them to the download.

    3-20-2017 Build (NOTICE: Download is just the bin by itself. Please read the credits/song list here before downloading)
    1-29-2017 Build (Alt with different invincibility music)
    Older version (1 act demo)
    Christmas Demo (Contains old EPZ, unfinished MCZ1, and old DDZ and GHZ) (Alt 1) (Alt 2)
    11-13-16: Original-Original-Sorta-Private-But-Not-Really Release
    12-18-16: Original release
    1-29-17: -Egg Plant Zone having completely new art and level layouts.
    -Marble City and Desert Dazzle now have some new art
    -Marble City Act 1 and Desert Dazzle Act 2 now have their level layouts finished
    -new Sonic idle sprite, with special thanks to LooneyDude for help with fixing the original sprite I made
    -Joenick's music has been fixed, and two new songs, 91 and FE have been added
    -various new art for some badniks and the HUD
    -some other stuff I may have forgotten
    3-20-17:
    -Signpost art fixed thanks to LooneyDude. Sonic and Eggman doesn't look shitty anymore.
    -Platform mappings are fixed for EPZ, DDZ, and GHZ. I wanted to fix MCZ's objects but I never got to it.
    -New art for Orbinaut and Caterkiller
    -Green Hill Act 2 is finished and Desert Dazzle Act 3 is barely started (keyword barely)
    -Fixed "RING" text
    -Hidden in GHZ2 is an S monitor. If you've played Pepsi in Sonic 1, you would know what they do.
    -New Sega sound and SSRG is changed (Apologies to Royameadow as well as anyone who doesn't like Snow Halation)
    -Other levels minorly tweaked to fix some problems, such as in EPZ3 where you can get stuck in a pit of spikes
    -Title Screen background removed for now.

    Oh, and um, here's some credits:
    -Various guides on SSRG and Retro for helping with stuff
    -the people who worked on SonED2 and SonLVL
    -Markey's fabulous Sonic 1 Two-Eight disasm for being the greatest
    -The people who worked on SonMapEd (why did I use this for importing tiles why)
    -Selbi's cool Sonic 1 Text Generator thing which I used to pull the broken title cards out of my ass.
    -The people at SSRG's discord for some help with stuff
    -LooneyDude who has helped with multiple art things in this hack
    -Everything else in this hack was done by me, besides music which the credits for each song can be seen in song list.

    Please don't say anything about Egg Plant Zone. By the time this is posted I'm gonna be getting rid of all the art and level layouts and replacing it with the new art. I appreciate any criticism, as I want this hack to be better, but just don't talk about Egg Plant Zone. I know it's bad and I don't need to be reminded.
    Edit: by now, this no longer applies, at least for the new version. Give me your criticisms!!!!!

    Edit2:
    Also put back the link to where I complain about a certain youtuber except that this time it's actually the person who decided to be a cuck and not the person who I was just referencing as a joke earlier. But even then when I wrote that Amy Rose hadn't posted a video of this hack yet and I was just using Razor as an example for the type of people that do that. But it seems that Razor isn't as much of a cuck as they were back in 2016.

     

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  2. KosmoF

    KosmoF Masochistic epileptic FEMALE gamer! Member

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    May I record and upload a video of this to my primary YouTube account next weekend? Don't worry, as per the norm for hacks that I play, the forum thread will be linked; personally I prefer to link the threads themselves as it enables folk to read info on it, particularily if there may be something specific that the creator wishes to inform others about.
     
  3. Unlimited Trees

    Unlimited Trees Banned for being a fucking cockwomble Exiled

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    Yes. Make sure to check the sound test as well, it may contain some special surprise ;)

    Anyways, to some people in the Discord saying that I should have waited until Christmas to post this, the only reason I did it this early was because I realized that the music I needed would not be finished, and I already had a song that sort of fit for Egg Plant in the game anyways, so I just changed the music, quickly did the last bits of the level layout for Desert Dazzle, and got everything together. Another reason is that everything I had planned to be here anyways was pretty much done, and I thought that everything was presentable, so me being the impatient loser I was, decided to post it today. I could have polished the hack up some more while the site was down, or I could have just put this in Retro, but I decided to spend my time working on some other sprites for another project, and Retro never really responds to my posts anyways, so bleh.
     
  4. ProjectFM

    ProjectFM Optimistic and self-dependent Member

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    This is pretty cool! The art is pretty good although there is definitely room for improvement. I don't think I've played enough to judge he level design but from what I've played, it's fun and flows well. I would recommend waiting a little longer to finish stuff before releasing a hack to the public but this has enough content that I'm fine with playing.

    The music, though, has a few problems. First, I'm a bit tired of hearing ASH's Green Hills port. It has been in Warped World, the telephone hack, this hack, and possibly other hacks I've forgotten about. Second, half this Jack's soundtrack is meme songs (mostly related to Siivagunner) and so, like most media, this will become outdated when these memes die. I recommend that you use less meme-related songs in the next release and doing so could free up space so you can use songs that are better to listen to. Third, song $8C is We Are Number One from Lazytown, not the Sonic CD boss theme as stated above.

    I like the idea of releasing an earlier version with your release and seeing as I've saved a version of my hack every few months, I might do that, too.

    Edit: I get it, $8C is the #1 mix. It just doesn't sound anything like Sonic CD's boss to me. $84 doesn't sound anything like Ice Paradise, either.
     
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  5. JoenickROS

    JoenickROS ROS (bug fixing in progress) Member

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    In a response to your edit ProjectFM, those songs are obviously not what they say they are, on purpose. The boss one is less obvious but come on considering the level in Sonic Advance 2 is Ice Paradise not Ice Halation you should have known that was on purpose. Anyway that one is a reference to Love Live's Snow Halation song, which it is a port of.. also you spelled paradise wrong. =p
     
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  6. ProjectFM

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    I was expecting mashups considering how the songs used are references to Siivagunner and have mashed up titles. I guess this is a reverse Siivagunner where you expect a mashup and just get a straight song. I would recommend not using these style of titles because it's misleading. Someone could like the boss theme but not know of We Are Number 1 and so he'd try searching for it on You untuned only to be greeted with the Sonic CD Boss Theme. You could argue that that's what Siivagunner does but with that, you're expecting to be mislead while you're not expecting it hear. What I'm saying is that it kind of gets rid of the purpose of a song list if you're not going to state the correct song names.
     
  7. Burst

    Burst You call this a connection? Oh, give me a break. Member

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    @Unlimited Trees Could you do an Alternative Mirror? It seems that i can't download it on my smartphone. Because i wanted to have an look on it.

    EDIT: I played the hack, and it was cool! I liked the Egg Plant art and the Wacky Workbench port. In Marble City, i died, but i try to get through it. :) Overall, this hack was cool.
     
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  8. GenesisDoes

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    I decided to try the hack on hardware last night, and it works very well; no error exceptions.

    As for the game itself, I like the new zones and art. The (finished) level layouts are quite good, and the new art looks bright and original. Not sure if you plan on making GHZ the final zone or not (would be quite anti-climatic if so); if not, you could always make GHZ a new zone and keep SBZ in its original level slot.

    I am pretty sure that bug is due to your new Big Ring behavior (with it directly warping Sonic to the SS without doing the end-of-level results). The results changes the zone ID for the next zone and clears the saved lamppost variables. Restore the old behavior of the Big Ring and it should fix itself.
     
  9. Unlimited Trees

    Unlimited Trees Banned for being a fucking cockwomble Exiled

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    Yes, GHZ is gonna be the last zone, but the planned zone before it is going to be more harder. GHZ is basically the refreshing moment after the bullshit from before.

    As for the Big Ring thing, it's actually supposed to act like the ones from Sonic 3 in which you find them in the level and you are warped straight to the special stage, so restoring the old behavior won't do much. I do know someone who knows how to fix the problem though, but I'm not planning on fixing it until later. I'd rather focus on the main meat of the hack, which is the levels and the art.
     
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  10. Unlimited Trees

    Unlimited Trees Banned for being a fucking cockwomble Exiled

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    With SSRG being back I'm gonna put the new version of this hack here. Funny how SSRG comes back after I released this at Retro, so bleh.

    So due to some stuff going on in my personal life (don't ask what that stuff is) I might not be able to work on this hack for awhile. So 2 days ago I quickly rushed out a release right before I went to sleep, so here you go. This hack isn't cancelled, but rather being sorta put on hold maybe I don't know. Also, there are still some problems with this. Mostly because I've not been expecting on releasing this right now, and I haven't worked a lot on this for awhile until the last few weeks when I decided to finally get off my ass. So here you go.
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    Now there are a few problems, those being:
    -being able to get stuck in a few places, mostly in Egg Plant Zone
    -sprite problems (still)
    -Sonic only having a new idle sprite and palette, as well as other objects being sorta messed up, mostly for those that used the skin tones from the original palette
    -level resizing problems with Marble City (go to the bottom route and you'll see)
    -various other problems I may have forgotten

    Anyways, I sorta don't care about people doing YouTube videos. As long as it's not a certain person which I mention in the original post, and that you link to the thread itself and not the download link, I don't care. Egg Plant is now better so now people can not complain about pillow shading.

    -Egg Plant Zone having completely new art and level layouts.
    -Marble City and Desert Dazzle now have some new art
    -Marble City Act 1 and Desert Dazzle Act 2 now have their level layouts finished
    -new Sonic idle sprite, with special thanks to LooneyDude for help with fixing the original sprite I made
    -Joenick's music has been fixed, and two new songs, 91 and FE have been added
    -various new art for some badniks and the HUD
    -some other stuff I may have forgotten

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/wcmodsmmzy06tcq/Tree's Sonic 1 1-29-17 Build.zip?dl=0
    Credits:
    -Various guides on SSRG and Retro for helping with stuff
    -the people who worked on SonED2 and SonLVL
    -Markey's fabulous Sonic 1 Two-Eight disasm for being the greatest
    -The people who worked on SonMapEd (why did I use this for importing tiles why)
    -Selbi's cool Sonic 1 Text Generator thing which I used to pull the broken title cards out of my ass.
    -The people at SSRG's discord for some help with stuff
    -LooneyDude for help with Sonic sprite
    -Everything else in this hack was done by me, besides music which the credits for each song can be seen in song list.

    Song list:
    81: Sonic CD US - Wacky Workbench Present (By A-S-H, might be used as an Act 2/3 theme for Egg Plant)
    84: Sonic Advance 2 - Ice Halation Act 2 (Beta Mix) (By Joenick)
    85: Shantae - Burning Town (By Crash, taken from SMPS Competiton)
    86: The best song ever, Sonic 2 8 Bit - Green Hills (By A-S-H. I luv you <3)
    87: Sonic Drift - Invinciblity (By jubbalub. have my kids pls)
    8A: Sonic CD JP - Title Screen (yet another song by the great hubbabub)
    8C: Sonic CD JP - Boss (#1 Mix) (by Painto)
    8D: mm2wood.bin (Ozaleto)
    91: Pepsi in Sonic 1 - S Monitor Theme (by Joenick)
    94: Sonic CD Beta - Speed Shoes (i just want to kiss jubbalub for making all these great remixes <33333)
    95: Another Green Hills Remix (by Joenick)
    FE: Some Miku song I forgot the name to :p (Joenick)
    FF: Sonic X - Sonic Drive (Joenick. He accidently sent me the thing on Discord thinking I was someone else so I just taken this and put it in the game because lel why not.)
     
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  11. Giovanni

    Giovanni It's Joevanni, not Geovanni. Member

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    I've played the new version.
    The art is wonderful if I exclude the broken stuff.
    Layouts are okay, except for some odd things like this:
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    I've noticed three particular things about this hack:
    • There seems to be a boss arena at the end of every act. Are you planning to put minibosses and Sonic 3-like transitions?
    • When you destroy a badnik, there is "GAY" instead of "100". Did you use "Pepsi in Sonic 1" to make this hack?
    • When the speed shoes effect ends, invincibility always ends with it, no matter how much did you use the invincibility (I've noticed this because I've seen the invincibility end half a second after it started).
    Music is beautiful. My favorite tracks are Green Hill Zone (From Sonic 2 GG) and Snow Halation Ice Halation. We Are Number One as a boss theme doesn't feel very appropriate.

    Well, I'll give this hack a 7/10. Keep up with the good work, man.
     
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  12. Unlimited Trees

    Unlimited Trees Banned for being a fucking cockwomble Exiled

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    I know about the problems with the layouts. I've just been too busy with everything else and I've also been lazy anyways. Also, I do plan on minibosses and maybe act transitions like in Sonic 3. As for the GAY POINTS thing, it's the only thing borrowed from Pepsi in Sonic 1. Despite it being a pretty terrible joke I felt like bringing it back again because I liked it so much. But I redrew the points sprites anyways so it works with the new palette. Also, the invincibility thing is the result of me being a bad programmer. I tried copying the invincibility code for the Speed shoes thing, but there was some problems with the thing I couldn't figure out. Anyways, thanks. As for the music, the We Are Number One thing was just a joke from the past release. Also go thank the people who made the music (who are mentioned in the Song List) because they're the real rad people here. All I did was follow the extended music slots guide and put in their music :v

    Also, what do you mean Snow Halation? If you mean the music 84, that's clearly Ice Halation from Sonic Advance 2...
     
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    Giovanni It's Joevanni, not Geovanni. Member

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    My bad. I must have confused the two names. Well, hate to cut it short, but high quality rips don't listen theirselves. (Or do they?)
     
  14. Burst

    Burst You call this a connection? Oh, give me a break. Member

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    This hack improved a lot. First - this art. So cool. I liked the choosen tracks (Eggman - Number one). When I look away from this broken stuff, then I say that this hack has good potenial. Good luck on develop it!
     
  15. TheStoneBanana

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    Okie dokie. Today, I decided to finally give this hack a go. I have to admit that after playing it...
    I was let down.

    Take a look at this small sample of screenshots.
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    The common factor between all of them is that they feature issues that could easily be fixed... but have not been. In a public release.

    This hack has so much potential, man. You, as a hacker, are capable of pulling off what you want done and I know it. However, with the current state of this release, I spent more time pointing out all of the things wrong with it in my head than actually enjoying the game. That's a problem. I should be able to sit back and enjoy what I'm playing rather than telling myself, "This probably will be better in the future. Ignore it!"
    What I've personally seen more and more in our community is that hackers are rushing to push out builds without actually considering their quality. The point of beta preview builds is to give the players a taste of what's to come, as well as leave them with a positive impression. Unleashing a questionable mess of a hack isn't going to fare very well with an average joe shmoe player whether the hack has potential or not.

    Just my thoughts, and I'm sorry this post dragged on a bit long.
     
  16. Unlimited Trees

    Unlimited Trees Banned for being a fucking cockwomble Exiled

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    Finally. A post that actually criticizes my hack. I've been waiting so long for one of you to do this.

    Ok, first off, I've been waiting for someone to complain about how there are a lot of problems which could've simply been fixed. I haven't really been working on this hack since I released the Christmas demo. With me getting sick a few weeks ago, stuff going on in my personal life, and the fact that I've just been lazy, I haven't been really feeling like working on this hack. I mean, Egg Plant Zone already had it's level llayouts and art already finished weeks ago, and I could have put out more levels and fixed all the art, but I just didn't. I'm sorry that this seems rushed, because I wasn't actually planning on releasing this right now. As I've said, there is some stuff going on in my life that might cause me not be able to work on this hack for awhile, so I pretty much just pushed this out in it's sorta broken state. I tried doing as much as I could last weekend, but on Saturday I had to go to some party (against my own will), and when I came back from the party I worked for hours on a thing only for it to end up not working. I realized that I already had wasted my time, so I just put out some art, quickly got the music put in, and released it right at the very last minute. I wish I fixed all these problems when I had the time, but I just didn't and now we have this broken mess.

    Anyways, the title screen I tried doing art for but eventually gave up on. Binbowie is gonna do art for a completely new title screen though so bleh. As for the title cards, they're basically unchanged from the last release. And they were just quick edits using Sonic 1 Text Generator. I could've fixed it, but I've just been lazy. As for the multiple broken art, it's once again the result of my laziness. I could have fixed it, but I didn't.

    Anyways, I'm sorry for this hack being really broken. It's been mostly my fault for not doing work. I'm hoping on making the next release much better. Also, thanks for the criticism. I've been waiting for more people to yell at me for awhile now. I kind of have a fetish for criticism.
     
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    Unlimited Trees Banned for being a fucking cockwomble Exiled

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    Double post because bleh.

    UTS1 1-29-17 Build except the invincibility music uses song FE by Joenick instead of the old Sonic Drift remix which no one liked.

    Everyone kept telling me to change it, including Jubbalub (who made the song), so I just made this quick little edit. I might use the old music for Tails when he gets invincibility or something. I'm not sure yet.

    Also, P.S to some assholes on YouTube which I won't name. Why do you keep on posting videos of the old version of this hack despite me clearly saying not to? Are you doing this just to fuck with me? I would have not cared if this were the new build, but you guys are doing videos of the old EPZ, and now dumb people get to see the old, unpolished, broken EPZ thanks to you. One kid in particular was acting like a dick in the comments section of one of the videos, and he probably only went straight to the download of the old version and didn't even bother reading the thread. For those of you who did a video of the old version of this hack without even asking me, please just take down the video and instead do one of the version I just posted. And when you do, link to this thread itself, and tell people to read the original post first before downloading.

    Edit: also, updated original post with new version, as well as fixing up the post a bit

    Edit2: ok so the original post is more better now go read it
     

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  18. redhotsonic

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    I understand your annoyance with these YouTubers doing a public video of the old version of your hack (not me, I haven't touched this hack yet), especially after you stated not to do so...

    BUT

    ...if you really didn't want people to see the "old, unpolished, broken EPZ" then why did you release the ROM? People who downloaded it are also going to see this broken mess so...

    EDIT: After speaking to the particular YouTuber you linked in your first post, they do not have a video of this hack. I think it's unfair for you to give them the statement you did with it linked to their channel. Please edit your first post. Thanks.

    EDIT2: Fuck it, I did it myself. I've removed the link but left the statement.
     
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  19. Razor

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    I never recorded this hack because you asked not to do so. And finally when it is avaliable for criticism I want to do a video of this. If you do not want this hack to be popularised I'll just skip it.
     
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