help porting knuckles to sonic 2

I really don't find what I said insulting. I told him the plain truth. Assuming he is a beginner hacker, there is still a standard of hacking people must live up to. This is not doing such. Maybe I could have worded it better, but for the most part, I am not incorrect. How is one to test out something that is unplayable? I made very clear points that were very much addressing the issues at hand.

- It is horrible. 

- It's nearly unplayable.

- You can't test out the features he's asking help for

- Gave advice.

Why am I going to lie, or ignore obvious points? That way he can continue to make the same mistakes?

I think not.

And to boot, it wasn't even the hack he needed help with. He uploaded a completely different hack that he didn't need help with. Now with that knowledge, I would've commented differently, but as the saying goes. "I calls em' as I see's em."

I'll be taking my demotion and unpaid vacation now.

 

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Ok, lets break it down then, if you want to keep this going:

1. "It is horrible" - Which part of that statement is constructive? Why is it horrible? What can he do to improve it? Are there guides that can help him and where?

2. "It is nearly unplayable" - Above statements apply. If it is due to the layouts being incomplete, it could just be a WIP that he was looking for guidance on. I've released stuff myself with unfinished and incomplete levels before which were impossible to finish, but it was due to wanting to gauge a reaction to what I had done.

3. "You can't test out the features" - He never said he was releasing the current hack. If you read his original post again, he said he was releasing the old version before he switched to disassembly. Alright, a mistake to release it in this topic, but he asked if anyone wanted to see it and Spanner said yes. It's his topic so he can post what he wants, he's not responsible for your inability to read his opening post.

4. "Gave advice" - This is the only part of your post that was worthwhile. I'm not asking you to lie and pretend it's the best hack in the world, but I don't expect you to just say "It's horrible" without being constructive. Give reasons and advice, such as better ways to edit palletes, point him to level layout guides or coding guides. I seem to recall people were patient with you while you was starting out. Do you think you'd have got far or stuck around if people told you everything you made was shit without a reason.

As for "I call them as I see them", that's exactly what I'm doing here. I thought I'd had a problem with you doing the same thing in the past so I checked your post history and found out you've done this same thing on many occasions and have been told to cut it out before by members of staff, including me. The fact you haven't paid attention to any of these warnings and have carried on in an unconstructive manner is the reason you got your warning. Being a Pro User doesn't make you any better than anyone else on here, it just means you are supposed to set an example, have certain privileges and be a good source of information for beginners to turn to when stuck. If you can't follow these simple guidelines, then you just let me know and I'll do something about it.

 

Ok, lets break it down then, if you want to keep this going:

Fine, I'll admit that was my bad. In hindsight, I should have told him to stop doing production on level layout until he has his objects fixed, unless the objects are supposed to be layout based anyhow. It's better to fix the technical issues before moving into other parts of hacking.

I did tell him why. You can't barely beat the levels. He even admitted to it. I said in an earlier post(which I have quoted.)

I'm well aware of your previous releases, and what you mean by "gauging" the audience's response. But, if you get stuck into a wall within the first 5 seconds of playing a level, there is a fucking issue, one that needs to be addressed. There is a difference between having a level that is incomplete, versus one that you can not play. 

Hidden Palace from S2B. -Incomplete? Check. Playable? Check.

Casino Night from S2B - Incomplete? Check. Playable? Fuck no.

What is the point of these two examples? You honestly can not not sit here and tell me that simply because a level isn't complete that you can't at least play in it without being herp derped into a wall. Actually, CNZ from S2B is playable up to a point, so meh.

(And yes, I have a Sonic 2 Beta fetish. Bite me.)

Ok, once again. My bad. I apologize for overlooking that. To be honest, I've only been skimming through because of his long posts...(also, I have no idea where a quote ends or begins due to the fucked up forums.) But, in my defense, why would you post a hack that has nothing to do with the topic at hand? That's like you creating a thread for the release of Megamix, but then provide a download for a Sonic 3 hack. Could you imagine the confusion? "Is this Sonic Megamix? Have they just hacked it to the point that they've remade Sonic 3?" I mean, that example is extreme, but you get the idea. Sure, people need to read carefully, but if the topic is set to one specific thing, it would be odd to just out of the blue provide something completely unrelated.

You did read my original post that I was referencing this to, correct? If so, you'd see I did give him advice. Start from scratch, and not do unnecessary hacking until the big problems are solved. Sure, it came out nasty, but if you sugar coat the point, you're still not going to ever get through. The code I gave him was easy stuff, he needed more than code help. Now, once again, that doesn't really matter, seeing as how it's not even the hack that he's referring to.

Oh, did you? Cool then, then you'd see how many times I've helped people. Most of these folks that I've "bitten", I guess is the term, have generally not done anything useful before hand. You don't jump into anything, decide to do a big job, then make NO efforts whatsoever, and then come for help. Imagine if at the work place, you tell your boss, "I'm going to...write the whole budget for the company, and then turn around half way before deadline, and go "how do I do it?" Point is, don't do something you certainly don't have even the slightest knowledge of, and then when you don't try, go off and ask people how to do it. 

For example, the first time when you verbally warned me about my outbursts, it was when this guy out of the blue asks how to port in the insta shield. Ok, fine, I made a very rude statement. But as we both know, hacking is not easy, and nothing is ever handed to you on a silver platter. You don't ask for something without working for it. If the guy had made an attempt, even a slight attempt, more than likely I would have reacted differently. But I hate people that don't try. That pisses me off.

Now fast forward to yesterday(I think, whenever I first posted in this thread.), I nearly reacted in the same way. I decided to play it by the rules, and be nice. I told Joe what to do to fix the issue he had, something about bsr.w being overjumped or whatever. Point is, I  got slightly irritated when 3 posts later, he goes off and asks the same question...again. Once more, I tell him, though slightly ticked that he didn't follow my suggestion I had posted not 3 posts earlier. Sure, I didn't get all of his problem solved, but I had most of it solved, but when somebody doesn't even attempt it, then asks again how to fix it, that,

a. hurt's my feelings.

b. Pisses me off.

Why? Because I took the time to help him. It's fine if you don't want to try my fix, but don't dare ask for help, and not even use it. That is ungrateful, and I don't put up with disrespectfulness. 

 Now as far as the staff telling me to cool it. I tried, I really have. For the most part, I am not on the attack, but when I see people who are to lazy to make an attempt, I will speak my mind.

I don't know where you think I'm giving off a superiority complex. I do not think I am better because I am a Pro member, hell, I've bitten people while I was a regular member. I don't like putting up with bullshit, and I certainly don't like to beat around the bush. If it is horrible, I will write in standard lettering "This hack is horrible." You think that simply because you, staff and admins, thought I deserved a Pro User that I'd act any differently? I do set an example, by being brutally honest. Let me make this clear though, I will help people in need of help, regardless if I were Staff, Pro User, or normal user, but you don't sugar coat things to help people. If somebody wants an opinion on something, you give it to them straight. No beating around the bush needed. Being nice and supportive is great and all. And even when I am biting people with my less than charming sarcastic humor, there is constructive criticism. The posts in question you've read were generally addressing how I react to people double posting, or how they necropost, and me getting angry, and essentially trying to be a mod when I'm not. Fine, I do go overboard, and I do get mad. But guess what, when you decide to just herp derp around, I will call you out on it. Mod or not, I hate stupidity and laziness. If you read through my angry posts, you'd see that's generally what I'm being mad at. 

Now, you want to know something, and it is time I put it out there. 

Earlier today, I was talking to ayla about the situation at hand, and she read through all the posts. She put it out simply, SSRG is not like it used to be.

You want to know why? Because 95% of the hacks that come from this site is either

a. Pure stolen content.

b. Pure shit.

c. A combination of the 2 above.

You want to know why I get angry at people who post shitty hacks that offer nothing more than half assed palettes and dickish layouts? Because I care about quality. 

95% of the hacks that come from this site is pure shit. Bottom line, straight honesty. You can sit here and call me blind, being a dick, whatever, I'm just stating facts. You are aware this site is seen as a joke and is seen as nothing more than Sonic Retro's cumdumpster, right? This site has no quality. Period. I come in here every once in a while, and see that people release hacks left and right that have no taste or originality whatsoever. Sure, I could easily link them to guides that could POSSIBLY help them, but that still doesn't fix the issue. Guides are only helpful during development, not post release. Instead of having set guidelines as to what should be released on this site, people are just creating threads on here showcasing the eye raping monstrosity. I'm not going to sit here and say I am the best fucking hacker around, because that title belongs to MarkeyJester and vladikcomper, but I know what a good hack should be. If a hack has bad reviews, and the author isn't even making any effort to address the possibility that they are fixing it, then trash it. There is a "Mini Hacking Projects and release thread" for a reason. Hell, that should be emphasized more than trying to release a single thread that showcases nothing more than a few level layout changes, unless the author is looking for opinions and continues on with his work, as opposed to just leaving a thread hanging.

You know what the worst part is? This is Sonic Stuff Research Group. Did you know I found this site before I found Retro, and used it more than anything else when I started hacking back in 2007? Nope, probably not. You know what I see now? A site in it's former shell trying it's best to catch users. This site used to be the pinnacle of hacking in the community, now it is reduced to Retro rejects and users having arguments about petty shit. This site used to be where hacks came to be stamped for A+ ratings, now people release rehashed shit left and right. While quality among hacks that don't have stolen pieces are barely anything to raise an eyebrow at. 

Now, I am done. Seeing as how you do not see me fit as a ProUser, and with this post, I doubt that changed your outlook, I will willingly take the demotion, and if you feel the need, a suspension. But, if that is your course of action, fine, just don't trash this post. I want to see the members on this site understand what I am trying to get across. 

Joenick, I apologize for making this thread a battleground, and also I apologize if I have hurt your feelings in some shape or form. Good Luck on your hacking adventures, and if you need me, you can pm me.

Good Day.

edit: Sweet Jesus, somebody finally fixed the quote boxes.

 

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3k can't get them from s2k bc the disassembly doesn't work

That is the problem.  3k mappings are incompatible with Sonic 2.  Even thought the s2k disassembly doesn't work, some of the data is useful, in this case, the mappings for Knuckles.  Rip the mappings from S2K and try those instead.  Let me know what happens.

EDIT: Spelling and grammer

 

Or you could convert using SonMapEd and use one of those palette editing programs to swap the colours from S3K to S2.

 

yeah looks like Im a member now and this topic can almost be locked except that I have one problem when knuckles cliimbs certain walls here is a link to a video showing the problem



tried changing the solidity of the chunks Knuckles climbs but that doesnt do anything and Ive looked at knuckles climb wall code and dont see anything that would be causing this. Heres a link to a download for my hack if anyone wants to check it out http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?qltdg7kla32e24t