As I didn't want to be part of this at first, this is an exception. In the years that I have been around this place, I'm quite surprised to see that I wasn't the only one who felt this way. For far to long I've wanted to say something in the very same way Markey did, hell in the same Mike B berry did in the SHC thread, but with me being the cautious type I just stayed quiet about it. even now with some of the others here that agreed proved my suspicions about the place over the years. Others might not see this as a problem or can see it but may try to deny it, but I actually started noticing this back as early as 2012 which ironically enough was the very same year that Mike also said he noticed, and while it wasn't as bad as it is now, He pretty much hit the nail on the head about how this place is half the time and though i doubt anyone notices or cares for that matter but even I myself don't really come here much anymore due to the fact that I can't be bothered with this place. I'm tired of seeing members bashing and talking ill of others for the most unnecessary reasons, or seeing others being to picky over the smallest little thing, along with a bunch of other things that's just plain ridiculous. call me rude, shallow or whatever you want but As mike sated in his quote, It's reasons like what he said in the SHC thread why poeple can't be bothered with the community anymore and I'm sorry to say that I'm becoming one of those people. Also in regards to Lazlo's post, While I can understand than some of the new members that's been coming here recently have not been the best, I don't think doing a retrial for all members would be good, nor would make a difference honestly. the way I see no matter how the trail system is setup, even if you were to change it up ex amount of times, there will always be that few who would cause a dispute, and the fact of saying "if that's what it takes, then so be it" would only give this place more of a bad reputation than it already has. nothing much else for me to say other than I'm glad that someone finally thought to speak up about this and hopefully others will take notice to this not just for now, but for later on as well.